Below is an interview with Gordon Conway, ex president of the Rockefeller Foundation (now chief scientific advisor at DFID) in today's Guardian. The Guardian has spun it in the headline as "we must learn to love GM foods" - despite the fact that the only part of the interview mentioning GM says:

'Does his new employer have an official view on genetic modification? "We support biotechnology in general, but you need to make a distinction between that and genetic modification, which is just one application of biotechnology. A good example of what we support are the new varieties of rice and bananas in Africa, which are produced from tissue culture. Both crops are spreading rapidly and producing results. GM probably will deliver results but it'll take time."'

Paul Brown has now left - FYI

Clare

Additional comment from GM WATCH:

A recently published report from specialists on biotechnology, development and Africa noted that there is no peer reviewed published evidence that the biotech banana projects in question have produced positive results overall. The authors own assessment was that the results have been very mixed and have given rise to considerable disappointment - see 'Smoke, Mirrors and Poverty'.

All of which leaves one wondering where the man brought in to make sure the Department for International Development's work was more science based, gets his information.

Florence Wambugu?
'Smoke, Mirrors and Poverty' - biotech's deceptive fiction
http://www.lobbywatch.org/archive2.asp?arcid=5823
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The ideas interview: Gordon Conway
Are we facing a future of death and famine? No, but we must learn to love GM foods, hears John Sutherland
The Guardian, October 24, 2005
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1599132,00.html

Sir Gordon Conway is, by background, an applied ecologist. By profession, however, he is a pragmatist, a philanthropist, but, above all, an optimist. He lives and works on the upside of things. Not for him the headlines of the past few weeks, with doom everywhere. If the climate change don't get you, the avian flu must. The world, he insists, has got better and will get better still.

"I've been in the development business all my adult life," says Conway, who joined the government's Department for International Development (DFID) as its chief scientific adviser in January. "I went to Borneo in 1960 and and I've seen countries like that transform themselves. I first went to Indonesia in 1968, just after the enormous uprising and the slaughter. It was a terrible place then. You go there now and it's got to the point now that the DFID won't be funding it because it sees Indonesia as a middle-income country. I've also worked a lot in Thailand and I've seen that country transform over time. But you've got to talk in terms of 10 to 20 years for a country to really progress.

His job description in his last post, as president of the Rockefeller Foundation, the US-based philanthropic giant that seeks solutions to global poverty? Something not often seen in the classifieds: "The wellbeing of humanity throughout the world."

For Conway, that means, principally, feeding the world. At the Rockefeller Foundation he was derided by anti-GM campaigners for his belief - backed by the foundation's money - that the best way to do this was through biotechnology. He has described as "naive" those who believe there is enough food in the world and that we simply need to redistribute it. But he also turned heads by telling the board of Monsanto they had generated the anti-GM backlash themselves by failing to pay attention to legitimate concerns about bioengineered food. Hence Fortune magazine's description of him as "the global food fight's leading centrist".

Does his new employer have an official view on genetic modification? "We support biotechnology in general, but you need to make a distinction between that and genetic modification, which is just one application of biotechnology. A good example of what we support are the new varieties of rice and bananas in Africa, which are produced from tissue culture. Both crops are spreading rapidly and producing results. GM probably will deliver results but it'll take time."

In this job, Conway firmly believes, "one can begin to make a difference to the lives of millions of people." But the stress is on "begin". Money is needed but, even more crucially, so is time. "That's one of the things I think people don't fully understand. There are no magic bullets. It takes time." That is something the media, with its love of apocalyptic headlines, rarely reflects.

Is Conway worried about a world population of 6 billion and growing? Have industrialisation, the green revolution and the efforts of such bodies as DFID merely done what motorways do to cars on our roads - increased numbers to bursting point?

"I don't think that's the right interpretation," he says, patiently (it's clearly the most frequent of FAQs). "I think that from everything we know, if you improve the lives of poor people, if you give them food security and access to health, they have fewer children. That works all the time with some few exceptions. The fertility rates start to come down."

It doesn't seem to be kicking in all that fast in India, though. "In some places it has," he points out. "It's come down faster than anyone expected in Bangladesh."

He concedes that, even if things go as planned, world population will stabilise at a big number. What is that big number? It's slippery. "You've got to factor in technology, which is hard to predict. The interconnectedness of the modern world is another complication. In one sense, it brings people into contact with each other; they can learn from each other, train each other, solve problems collectively. But in another sense, it introduces all kinds of threats - such as avian flu."

Interconnectedness is also, as Conway sees it, the solution to those old Malthusian "checks" - war, famine, disease. "In the United States," he says, "I was chairman of one of the largest affordable housing projects in the country which was put together by a whole lot of private foundations working together." At the DFID, Conway sees the public-private partnership as the way to handle, for example, vaccine research on HIV/Aids for the third world, or the growth of higher education in Africa, or - at a more practical level (he's a very practical man) - supplying insecticide-impregnated bed-nets to east Africa, where they have brought down infant mortality rates dramatically.

The future wellbeing of mankind requires, as Conway sees it, effective co-operation between three very big players: governments, private foundations, and NGOs. He also believes strongly in the need for science to have a voice in policy-making in developing countries, something else he believes requires cooperation, a point he made to the House of Commons select committee on science and technology earlier this year.

Few of us are charged with responsibility for the long-term fate of our species. Is he, through and through, an optimist? Or is there an inner Sir Gordon Conway who looks into the mirror from time to time and thinks perhaps not?

"No. If you asked my family they'd say the optimism goes right through. I get very depressed when I see suffering and tragedy - whether it be New Orleans or Islamabad, or the countries ravaged by the tsunami. In all three cases we could have done a better job in protecting people. We know how to build buildings that are earthquake proof. New Orleans was a disaster waiting to happen. If warning systems had been in place there would have been many fewer people killed by the tsunami. So I don't get depressed, I get angry. I know there are answers. The world is very slow to respond but, in time, we usually put the answers in place".